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Hi Jimmy. Some comments:

If a cruel slaveowner says “You might as well accept a beating with the wrench, since if I do that to you, then I won’t have to stab you with the knife”. And then the slave says okay to the beating, in order to avoid the stabbing. So, the pain from the beating prevented a worse pain, from the stabbing. But I take it that the beating isn’t thereby non-gratuitous. After all, the cruel slaveowner is the asshole who set up the system in which if the beating hadn’t happened, then the stabbing would have happened.

Or suppose the slaveowner says “You can marry and live the rest of your life with the woman you love, in the best slave shack in the state, but you first have to eat this shit in order to earn it”. Suppose the slave thinks this is a fantastic trade: a little bit of suffering for an enormous amount of good. The goodness of the good far surpasses the badness of the bad. Even so, the shit-eating isn’t gratuitous, I take it, because the slaveowner is the one who set up the cruel rule in which the only way to the great life was to eat shit.

Similarly, I have wondered about gratuitous sufferings in the Problem of Evil context. I understand that an instance of suffering S1 is supposed to be non-gratuitous if it was “necessary” to prevent an even worse suffering S2, or obtain a greater good G. But what’s the modality here? God’s the dude who sets the rules of the universe. If the rules say “If S1 doesn’t happen, then S2 happens/G doesn’t happen”, and God’s responsible for that rule, and the universe could have existed with life, consciousness, and even Miles Davis and Beethoven but without that rule, or similar shitty rules, then isn’t S1 gratuitous?

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